Discussion:
VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK
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a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-28 05:06:36 UTC
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Hey if any of you guys and gals need some coaching on a disability
claim there is a network out there called, " VBN", that has been doing
just that.

They do a great job coaching veterans how to get disability benefits
and what to tell the doctors and c&p examiners so you can get a claim
approved. Many of them brag how they got 100% for mental illness or
TDIU and tell others what symptoms to fake for benefits.

So if anyone needs coaching please join VBN coaching site. Please pass
this on to every group you visit. This is great stuff for anyone who
wants to learn how to cheat the system and be coached.

http://vets.yuku.com/forums/82

Mark
a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-28 17:17:45 UTC
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Who's VAOIG?
Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.

It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in
the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for
example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA
examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The
VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to
start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system
and lied to obtain benefits.

Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities,
write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take
that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep
doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation
based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.

If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your
mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere
else and create your own board.

The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the
last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching
veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to
receive more money.

Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the
medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and
make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what
stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet
for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services
Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will
change her behavior whether she wants to or not.

This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money
that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One
guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired,
so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un
employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day
but he wants 100% based on mental illness.

Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag
about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was.
If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut
up by the V twat waffle.

Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for
yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to
post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It
appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam
group ever created on the Internet.


9440, 100%
General Rating Formula for Mental Disorders:
Total occupational and social impairment, due to
such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought
processes or communication; persistent delusions
or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior;
persistent danger of hurting self or others;
intermittent inability to perform activities of
daily living (including maintenance of minimal
personal hygiene); disorientation to time or
place; memory loss for names of close relatives,
own occupation, or own name.......................


What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers
and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that
happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach
others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and
teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a
moderator on VBN.

That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the
appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".

We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and
Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to
put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to
offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for
coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would
banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people
to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.

The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer
exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and
whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans
Disability Benefits they did not earn.
%
2009-10-28 17:18:46 UTC
Permalink
you are
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Who's VAOIG?
Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.
It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in
the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for
example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA
examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The
VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to
start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system
and lied to obtain benefits.
Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities,
write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take
that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep
doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation
based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.
If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your
mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere
else and create your own board.
The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the
last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching
veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to
receive more money.
Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the
medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and
make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what
stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet
for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services
Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will
change her behavior whether she wants to or not.
This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money
that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One
guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired,
so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un
employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day
but he wants 100% based on mental illness.
Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag
about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was.
If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut
up by the V twat waffle.
Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for
yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to
post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It
appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam
group ever created on the Internet.
9440, 100%
Total occupational and social impairment, due to
such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought
processes or communication; persistent delusions
or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior;
persistent danger of hurting self or others;
intermittent inability to perform activities of
daily living (including maintenance of minimal
personal hygiene); disorientation to time or
place; memory loss for names of close relatives,
own occupation, or own name.......................
What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers
and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that
happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach
others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and
teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a
moderator on VBN.
That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the
appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".
We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and
Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to
put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to
offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for
coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would
banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people
to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.
The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer
exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and
whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans
Disability Benefits they did not earn.
slunky
2009-10-28 17:47:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Who's VAOIG?
Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.
It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in
the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for
example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA
examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The
VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to
start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system
and lied to obtain benefits.
Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities,
write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take
that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep
doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation
based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.
If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your
mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere
else and create your own board.
The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the
last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching
veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to
receive more money.
Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the
medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and
make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what
stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet
for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services
Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will
change her behavior whether she wants to or not.
This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money
that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One
guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired,
so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un
employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day
but he wants 100% based on mental illness.
Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag
about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was.
If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut
up by the V twat waffle.
Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for
yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to
post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It
appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam
group ever created on the Internet.
9440, 100%
Total occupational and social impairment, due to
such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought
processes or communication; persistent delusions
or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior;
persistent danger of hurting self or others;
intermittent inability to perform activities of
daily living (including maintenance of minimal
personal hygiene); disorientation to time or
place; memory loss for names of close relatives,
own occupation, or own name.......................
What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers
and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that
happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach
others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and
teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a
moderator on VBN.
That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the
appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".
We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and
Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to
put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to
offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for
coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would
banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people
to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.
The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer
exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and
whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans
Disability Benefits they did not earn.
Wow. V must really have your balls in a vice if you go on like this
anytime someone mentions that site.
--
-slunky
Hoots
2009-10-29 11:14:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by slunky
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Who's VAOIG?
Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.
It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in
the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for
example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA
examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The
VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to
start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system
and lied to obtain benefits.
Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities,
write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take
that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep
doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation
based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.
If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your
mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere
else and create your own board.
The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the
last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching
veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to
receive more money.
Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the
medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and
make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what
stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet
for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services
Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will
change her behavior whether she wants to or not.
This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money
that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One
guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired,
so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un
employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day
but he wants 100% based on mental illness.
Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag
about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was.
If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut
up by the V twat waffle.
Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for
yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to
post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It
appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam
group ever created on the Internet.
9440, 100%
Total occupational and social impairment, due to
such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought
processes or communication; persistent delusions
or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior;
persistent danger of hurting self or others;
intermittent inability to perform activities of
daily living (including maintenance of minimal
personal hygiene); disorientation to time or
place; memory loss for names of close relatives,
own occupation, or own name.......................
What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers
and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that
happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach
others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and
teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a
moderator on VBN.
That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the
appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".
We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and
Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to
put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to
offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for
coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would
banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people
to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.
The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer
exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and
whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans
Disability Benefits they did not earn.
Wow. V must really have your balls in a vice if you go on like this
anytime someone mentions that site.
I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.

Whatever.

So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.

I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
their quirky editing would be too tough)

Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
Jester's mummy
2009-10-29 12:07:20 UTC
Permalink
<(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
<(((*>
<(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
<(((*>(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
<(((*>each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
<(((*>and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
<(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough)
<(((*>
<(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
<(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed to set something up for a
work-related group.

Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open source and free.

http://www.phpbb.com/

The only thing that I needed was a server where I could host the thing, and that
was provided by my employers.

If you want to message me backchannel about my experiences with forum
administration, it's tjmb (at) videotron.ca.

Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
Hoots
2009-10-30 10:37:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jester's mummy
<(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
<(((*>
<(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
<(((*>(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
<(((*>each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
<(((*>and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
<(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough)
<(((*>
<(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
<(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed to set something up for a
work-related group.
Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open source and free.
http://www.phpbb.com/
The only thing that I needed was a server where I could host the thing, and that
was provided by my employers.
If you want to message me backchannel about my experiences with forum
administration, it's tjmb (at) videotron.ca.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
Thanks, I'll take a look at it!

Who's Jester?
Jester's mummy
2009-10-31 01:22:52 UTC
Permalink
<(((*>>
<(((*>>> <(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
<(((*>>> <(((*>
<(((*>>> <(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
<(((*>>> <(((*>(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
<(((*>>> <(((*>each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
<(((*>>> <(((*>and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
<(((*>>> <(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough)
<(((*>>> <(((*>
<(((*>>> <(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
<(((*>>> <(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
<(((*>>
<(((*>> I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed to set something up for a
<(((*>> work-related group.
<(((*>>
<(((*>> Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open source and free.
<(((*>>
<(((*>> http://www.phpbb.com/
<(((*>>
<(((*>> The only thing that I needed was a server where I could host the thing, and that
<(((*>> was provided by my employers.
<(((*>>
<(((*>> If you want to message me backchannel about my experiences with forum
<(((*>> administration, it's tjmb (at) videotron.ca.
<(((*>>
<(((*>> Tara J. Ballance
<(((*>> Montreal, Canada
<(((*>
<(((*>Thanks, I'll take a look at it!
<(((*>
<(((*>Who's Jester?
Jester is my bare-eyed cockatoo. He got his name because he's such a clown.

Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
Hoots
2009-10-31 12:33:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jester's mummy
<(((*>>
<(((*>>> <(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
<(((*>>> <(((*>
<(((*>>> <(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
<(((*>>> <(((*>(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
<(((*>>> <(((*>each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
<(((*>>> <(((*>and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
<(((*>>> <(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough)
<(((*>>> <(((*>
<(((*>>> <(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
<(((*>>> <(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
<(((*>>
<(((*>> I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed to set something up for a
<(((*>> work-related group.
<(((*>>
<(((*>> Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open source and free.
<(((*>>
<(((*>> http://www.phpbb.com/
<(((*>>
<(((*>> The only thing that I needed was a server where I could host the thing, and that
<(((*>> was provided by my employers.
<(((*>>
<(((*>> If you want to message me backchannel about my experiences with forum
<(((*>> administration, it's tjmb (at) videotron.ca.
<(((*>>
<(((*>> Tara J. Ballance
<(((*>> Montreal, Canada
<(((*>
<(((*>Thanks, I'll take a look at it!
<(((*>
<(((*>Who's Jester?
Jester is my bare-eyed cockatoo. He got his name because he's such a clown.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
Those birds are pretty entertaining and some of them know it.

I can't imagine a bird owner/lover not knowing about it, but for those
who missed it, have you seen Snowball and Snowball videos?



http://www.birdloversonly.org/blsnowball.shtml
%
2009-10-31 12:41:07 UTC
Permalink
stop that you silly cow
Post by Hoots
Post by Jester's mummy
<(((*>> <(((*>>> <(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
<(((*>>> <(((*>
<(((*>>> <(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website
for some folks <(((*>>> <(((*>(a guild-like group). They want a website
with the ability to message <(((*>>> <(((*>each other and maybe
broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc <(((*>>> <(((*>and have
the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and <(((*>>>
<(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough)
<(((*>>> <(((*>
<(((*>>> <(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't
explored this <(((*>>> <(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is
all new now.
<(((*>> <(((*>> I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed to
set something up for a
<(((*>> work-related group.
<(((*>> <(((*>> Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open source
and free.
<(((*>> <(((*>> http://www.phpbb.com/
<(((*>> <(((*>> The only thing that I needed was a server where I could
host the thing, and that
<(((*>> was provided by my employers.
<(((*>> <(((*>> If you want to message me backchannel about my
experiences with forum
<(((*>> administration, it's tjmb (at) videotron.ca.
<(((*>> <(((*>> Tara J. Ballance
<(((*>> Montreal, Canada
<(((*>
<(((*>Thanks, I'll take a look at it!
<(((*>
<(((*>Who's Jester?
Jester is my bare-eyed cockatoo. He got his name because he's such a clown.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
Those birds are pretty entertaining and some of them know it.
I can't imagine a bird owner/lover not knowing about it, but for those who
missed it, have you seen Snowball and Snowball videos?
http://youtu.be/cJOZp2ZftCw
http://www.birdloversonly.org/blsnowball.shtml
Hoots
2009-10-31 13:03:22 UTC
Permalink
Cowbirds?
Post by %
stop that you silly cow
Post by Hoots
Post by Jester's mummy
<(((*>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:14:31 -0400, Hoots
<(((*>> <(((*>>> <(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
<(((*>>> <(((*>
<(((*>>> <(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a
website for some folks <(((*>>> <(((*>(a guild-like group). They
want a website with the ability to message <(((*>>> <(((*>each other
and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc <(((*>>>
<(((*>and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use
(wiki's and <(((*>>> <(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough)
<(((*>>> <(((*>
<(((*>>> <(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I
haven't explored this <(((*>>> <(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure
everything is all new now.
<(((*>> <(((*>> I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed
to set something up for a
<(((*>> work-related group.
<(((*>> <(((*>> Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open
source and free.
<(((*>> <(((*>> http://www.phpbb.com/
<(((*>> <(((*>> The only thing that I needed was a server where I
could host the thing, and that
<(((*>> was provided by my employers.
<(((*>> <(((*>> If you want to message me backchannel about my
experiences with forum
<(((*>> administration, it's tjmb (at) videotron.ca.
<(((*>> <(((*>> Tara J. Ballance
<(((*>> Montreal, Canada
<(((*>
<(((*>Thanks, I'll take a look at it!
<(((*>
<(((*>Who's Jester?
Jester is my bare-eyed cockatoo. He got his name because he's such a clown.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
Those birds are pretty entertaining and some of them know it.
I can't imagine a bird owner/lover not knowing about it, but for those
who missed it, have you seen Snowball and Snowball videos?
http://youtu.be/cJOZp2ZftCw
http://www.birdloversonly.org/blsnowball.shtml
Jester's mummy
2009-10-31 13:26:11 UTC
Permalink
<(((*>>> <(((*>Who's Jester?
<(((*>>
<(((*>> Jester is my bare-eyed cockatoo. He got his name because he's such a clown.
<(((*>>
<(((*>> Tara J. Ballance
<(((*>> Montreal, Canada
<(((*>
<(((*>Those birds are pretty entertaining and some of them know it.
<(((*>
<(((*>I can't imagine a bird owner/lover not knowing about it, but for those
<(((*>who missed it, have you seen Snowball and Snowball videos?
<(((*>
http://youtu.be/cJOZp2ZftCw
<(((*>
<(((*>http://www.birdloversonly.org/blsnowball.shtml
Snowball rules!

For those who don't know, he's a rescue bird who turned out to have a real jones
for the Backstreet Boys. Now he has a permanent home and a following on Youtube.

Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
7***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-29 13:04:32 UTC
Permalink
I admit there is a lot of coaching going on, but what is wrong with
teaching veterans how to cheat on disability pay from the VA?
Civilians cheat all the time so what is the big deal anyway?

I think others are jealous that V set up the first successful VA
disability coaching network at VBN. So you ought to mind you business.
I support V and her endeavor. It took her nearly two years to turn VBN
into a coaching network and she had to fire most of the previous
moderators because they wouldn't go along with it.

71ST
Post by Jester's mummy
<(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
<(((*>
<(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
<(((*>(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
<(((*>each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
<(((*>and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
<(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough)
<(((*>
<(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
<(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed to set something up for a
work-related group.
Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open source and free.
http://www.phpbb.com/
The only thing that I needed was a server where I could host the thing, and that
was provided by my employers.
If you want to message me backchannel about my experiences with forum
administration, it's tjmb (at) videotron.ca.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Who's VAOIG?
Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.
It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in
the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for
example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA
examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The
VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to
start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system
and lied to obtain benefits.
Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities,
write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take
that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep
doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation
based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.
If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your
mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere
else and create your own board.
The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the
last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching
veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to
receive more money.
Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the
medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and
make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what
stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet
for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services
Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will
change her behavior whether she wants to or not.
This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money
that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One
guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired,
so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un
employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day
but he wants 100% based on mental illness.
Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag
about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was.
If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut
up by the V twat waffle.
Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for
yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to
post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It
appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam
group ever created on the Internet.
9440, 100%
Total occupational and social impairment, due to
such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought
processes or communication; persistent delusions
or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior;
persistent danger of hurting self or others;
intermittent inability to perform activities of
daily living (including maintenance of minimal
personal hygiene); disorientation to time or
place; memory loss for names of close relatives,
own occupation, or own name.......................
What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers
and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that
happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach
others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and
teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a
moderator on VBN.
That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the
appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".
We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and
Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to
put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to
offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for
coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would
banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people
to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.
The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer
exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and
whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans
Disability Benefits they did not earn.
Wow. V must really have your balls in a vice if you go on like this
anytime someone mentions that site.
I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
Whatever.
So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
their quirky editing would be too tough)
Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
V
2009-10-29 14:14:40 UTC
Permalink
VOTING TIME ALREADY FOR NOV!!!

Vote for VBN !! November voting has started. We are the best at
coaching veterans how to cheat, lie, and deceive the C&P Examiner so
you get the same monetary benefits as those veterans who earned it!!
We deserve a #1 rating so please cast your vote!!! And don't forget to
fake some shed tears when you see those examiners!!! V
M***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-29 14:21:56 UTC
Permalink
VA Office of the Inspector General

810 Vermont Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20420

http://www.va.gov/oig/

the HOTLINE includes fraud reports, see info below:

Call the VAOIG Hotline toll-free at 1-800-488-8244
[8:30am–4:00pm Eastern Time Monday–Friday excluding Federal holidays]

Write the VAOIG Hotline:
VA INSPECTOR GENERAL HOTLINE (53E)
P.O. BOX 50410
WASHINGTON, DC 20091-0410
Post by V
VOTING TIME ALREADY FOR NOV!!!
Vote for VBN !! November voting has started. We are the best at
coaching veterans how to cheat, lie, and deceive the C&P Examiner so
you get the same monetary benefits as those veterans who earned it!!
We deserve a #1 rating so please cast your vote!!! And don't forget to
fake some shed tears when you see those examiners!!! V
Mean Dean
2009-10-29 14:37:58 UTC
Permalink
This books describes how the "veterans benefits network" and a few
other veterans disability coaching sites, have robbed the Vietnam
Generation of Its Heroes and Its History. A good read, very revealing.

http://www.amazon.com/Stolen-Valor-Vietnam-Generation-History/dp/096670360X?ie=UTF8&qid=1249945113&sr=8-1
V
2009-10-29 14:47:47 UTC
Permalink
Milstar, you do not get paid the big bucks to slap us in the face like
this. The last thing we need is for people to call the VA Hotline. If
you do this again you will be banned. I have had enough of your
childishness, now grow up and you are outta here! Have I made myself
clear?

V
Post by M***@anon.dontreply.com
VA Office of the Inspector General
810 Vermont Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20420
http://www.va.gov/oig/
Call the VAOIG Hotline toll-free at 1-800-488-8244
[8:30am–4:00pm Eastern Time Monday–Friday excluding Federal holidays]
VA INSPECTOR GENERAL HOTLINE (53E)
P.O. BOX 50410
WASHINGTON, DC 20091-0410
Post by V
VOTING TIME ALREADY FOR NOV!!!
Vote for VBN !! November voting has started. We are the best at
coaching veterans how to cheat, lie, and deceive the C&P Examiner so
you get the same monetary benefits as those veterans who earned it!!
We deserve a #1 rating so please cast your vote!!! And don't forget to
fake some shed tears when you see those examiners!!! V
CyberDroog
2009-10-29 23:29:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by V
VOTING TIME ALREADY FOR NOV!!!
Vote for VBN !! November voting has started. We are the best at
coaching veterans how to cheat, lie, and deceive the C&P Examiner so
you get the same monetary benefits as those veterans who earned it!!
We deserve a #1 rating so please cast your vote!!! And don't forget to
fake some shed tears when you see those examiners!!! V
Damn. If I had known that vets have an organization dedicated to cheating
the government, I would have joined the military.
--
If we were to wake up some morning and find that everyone was the same
race, creed and color, we would find some other cause for prejudice by
noon.

- George Aiken
Hoots
2009-10-30 11:00:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by 7***@anon.dontreply.com
I admit there is a lot of coaching going on, but what is wrong with
teaching veterans how to cheat on disability pay from the VA?
Civilians cheat all the time so what is the big deal anyway?
I think others are jealous that V set up the first successful VA
disability coaching network at VBN. So you ought to mind you business.
I support V and her endeavor. It took her nearly two years to turn VBN
into a coaching network and she had to fire most of the previous
moderators because they wouldn't go along with it.
71ST
Post by Jester's mummy
<(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
<(((*>
<(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
<(((*>(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
<(((*>each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
<(((*>and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
<(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough)
<(((*>
<(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
<(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed to set something up for a
work-related group.
Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open source and free.
http://www.phpbb.com/
The only thing that I needed was a server where I could host the thing, and that
was provided by my employers.
If you want to message me backchannel about my experiences with forum
administration, it's tjmb (at) videotron.ca.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Who's VAOIG?
Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.
It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in
the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for
example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA
examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The
VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to
start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system
and lied to obtain benefits.
Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities,
write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take
that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep
doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation
based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.
If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your
mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere
else and create your own board.
The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the
last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching
veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to
receive more money.
Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the
medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and
make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what
stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet
for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services
Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will
change her behavior whether she wants to or not.
This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money
that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One
guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired,
so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un
employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day
but he wants 100% based on mental illness.
Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag
about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was.
If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut
up by the V twat waffle.
Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for
yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to
post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It
appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam
group ever created on the Internet.
9440, 100%
Total occupational and social impairment, due to
such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought
processes or communication; persistent delusions
or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior;
persistent danger of hurting self or others;
intermittent inability to perform activities of
daily living (including maintenance of minimal
personal hygiene); disorientation to time or
place; memory loss for names of close relatives,
own occupation, or own name.......................
What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers
and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that
happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach
others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and
teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a
moderator on VBN.
That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the
appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".
We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and
Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to
put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to
offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for
coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would
banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people
to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.
The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer
exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and
whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans
Disability Benefits they did not earn.
Wow. V must really have your balls in a vice if you go on like this
anytime someone mentions that site.
I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
Whatever.
So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
their quirky editing would be too tough)
Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
Knute Rockne, now *there* was a coach!

"Let's win one for the Penpal."
slunky
2009-10-29 15:10:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hoots
I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
Whatever.
So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
their quirky editing would be too tough)
Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
Do you just need the CMS or do you need a host too?

If you want an all provided package, http://www.spruz.com/ is the way to
go. They'll set it up, host it, live chat support for the site and the
platform, all that.

If you're just looking for the platform to run it all on, look at a
couple of these:

http://www.vclcomponents.com/s/0__/mini_networking_projects_in_c
--
-slunky
7***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-29 15:16:18 UTC
Permalink
good read


http://www.dailyfreepress.com/researchers-examine-increasing-veterans-disability-compensation-1.2028356
Post by slunky
Post by Hoots
I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
Whatever.
So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
their quirky editing would be too tough)
Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
Do you just need the CMS or do you need a host too?
If you want an all provided package, http://www.spruz.com/ is the way to
go. They'll set it up, host it, live chat support for the site and the
platform, all that.
If you're just looking for the platform to run it all on, look at a
http://www.vclcomponents.com/s/0__/mini_networking_projects_in_c
a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-29 15:45:28 UTC
Permalink
71st, thanks for posting a link to that article. I checked it out and
left the below comment for the editor. I hope he keeps up the good
work.

Tom Jacob
Thu Oct 29 2009 11:34
This is a very good article. On the " Veterans Benefits Network" we do
a good job coaching veterans how to go about getting disability
benefits. Some suggestions on VBN is to look up the VA Scheduler of
ratings for a particular illness and write down the listed symptoms on
a note card. Bring that note card to your doctor appointment, pull it
out and tell your doctor those are your symptoms. VBN also recommends
not to shave before you go the examination, wear old clothes, don't
shower for a few days, and make sure you shed a few tears to gain
sympathy of the examiner. VBN also recommends that if you go for a
back injury since the more you can bend and turn the less money you
will eventually get paid to be sure as soon as you bend forward you
complain to the examiner who will list it on the medical form. These
are just a few of many cheat tips I have discovered on VBN over the
last few years. I don't agree with how they coach and teach veterans
to do these things. I think coaching sites like that should be closed
down for benefit of the tax payer and veterans who really suffer from
service connected disabilities. Unfortunately the network is full of
those who have gamed the system and want to coach and teach others to
do the same.
Post by Mean Dean
good read
http://www.dailyfreepress.com/researchers-examine-increasing-veterans-disability-compensation-1.2028356
Post by slunky
Post by Hoots
I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
Whatever.
So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
their quirky editing would be too tough)
Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
Do you just need the CMS or do you need a host too?
If you want an all provided package, http://www.spruz.com/ is the way to
go. They'll set it up, host it, live chat support for the site and the
platform, all that.
If you're just looking for the platform to run it all on, look at a
http://www.vclcomponents.com/s/0__/mini_networking_projects_in_c
Hoots
2009-10-30 11:18:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mean Dean
good read
http://www.dailyfreepress.com/researchers-examine-increasing-veterans-disability-compensation-1.2028356
Post by slunky
Post by Hoots
I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
Whatever.
So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
their quirky editing would be too tough)
Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
Do you just need the CMS or do you need a host too?
If you want an all provided package, http://www.spruz.com/ is the way to
go. They'll set it up, host it, live chat support for the site and the
platform, all that.
If you're just looking for the platform to run it all on, look at a
http://www.vclcomponents.com/s/0__/mini_networking_projects_in_c
Are you guys sure about all of this?

Seems like a lot of fuss.
Hoots
2009-10-30 11:16:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by slunky
Post by Hoots
I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
Whatever.
So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
their quirky editing would be too tough)
Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
Do you just need the CMS or do you need a host too?
If you want an all provided package, http://www.spruz.com/ is the way to
go. They'll set it up, host it, live chat support for the site and the
platform, all that.
If you're just looking for the platform to run it all on, look at a
http://www.vclcomponents.com/s/0__/mini_networking_projects_in_c
Thanks, slunky!

Just what I needed.
slunky
2009-10-30 11:28:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hoots
Post by slunky
Post by Hoots
I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
Whatever.
So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks
(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message
each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc
and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and
their quirky editing would be too tough)
Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this
stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
Do you just need the CMS or do you need a host too?
If you want an all provided package, http://www.spruz.com/ is the way to
go. They'll set it up, host it, live chat support for the site and the
platform, all that.
If you're just looking for the platform to run it all on, look at a
http://www.vclcomponents.com/s/0__/mini_networking_projects_in_c
Thanks, slunky!
Just what I needed.
Good and you're welcome.
--
-slunky
a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-28 17:56:42 UTC
Permalink
I agree with the postings steamjockey put on VBN, a few of hundreds he
has posted shown below. Like so many others feel he knows that the
VETERANS DISABILITY NETORK has turned into a collossal disability
coaching and teaching network and that tax payer dollars are being
abused. This is money that could have been used to help those who
really suffer from PTSD/DEPRESSION and other illnesses and such fraud
should not be allowed.

A good example is when VBN tells members that when they reach a magic
60% rating number they should quit their job, file for unemployability
at the VA so they can get paid at the 100% rate. They go on to teach
and coach veterans that once you receive that uneployability 100%
rating don't ever go back to work because you will get reviewed and
they might dig harder and catch on to the scam.

This is a very deliberate teaching and coaching process going on at
VBN and tax payers and those who are stuggling with real disabilities
whould be outraged at such innapropriate coaching and faking. I think
the more tax payers that are aware of what that network has been doing
the better. The more scrutiny the better because this abuse and
coaching must stop immediately.



http://vets.yuku.com/sreply/285301/t/Do-we-really-need-IU.html

SteamJockey #10 [url] [-]

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Posts: 5572

10/18/09 16:44:32

To answer the original question regarding whether we need IU or not, I
think we do. There are a small number of veterans that fall into the
category this benefit was designed to relieve. Having said that, If
VBN is any example, IU is more abused than used. I think Congress and
the VA need to look into this.

http://vets.yuku.com/sreply/285311/t/Do-we-really-need-IU.html


SteamJockey #12 [url] [-]

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10/18/09 17:48:42


so I don't think that there are as many as you think getting
through the cracks.

If VBN is any example there are entirely too many on IU, especially
for bogus reasons.

Regards;
SteamJockey, resident curmudgeon


http://vets.yuku.com/sreply/285420/t/Do-we-really-need-IU.html


SteamJockey #29 [url] [-]

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10/19/09 09:59:03


There is also what they call an IRS data base

There is no law permitting the use of the IRS database in this manner.
Most veterans that have left the service have never filed a claim.
Vets discharged prior to 93 did not automatically have SMR's delivered
to VA. Even if they knew the address of every living veteran do you
really think they are going to send a personal invite to every veteran
announcing every possible benefit and all changes. At some point in
time you have to take responsibility for your own life and stop
expecting momma to spoon feed ya. Seems this is typical of the current
crowd of crybaby whiners. We're seeing a lot of that here on VBN
lately. I think NorthernWolf's last post kinda tells it like it is.


"Most people who read "The Communist Manifesto" probably have no idea
that it was written by a couple of men who had never worked a day in
their lives, and who nevertheless spoke boldly in the name of 'the
workers'."
~Thomas Sowell

Regards;
slunky
2009-10-28 17:57:40 UTC
Permalink
_/ ***@anon.dontreply.com <***@anon.dontreply.com> wrote \_

VBN wins.
--
-slunky
Hoots
2009-10-29 11:15:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by slunky
VBN wins.
Yay!
slunky
2009-10-28 17:57:40 UTC
Permalink
_/ ***@anon.dontreply.com <***@anon.dontreply.com> wrote \_

VBN wins.
--
-slunky
a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-28 18:20:08 UTC
Permalink
What happens is VBN coaches other veterans how to scam the system. It
is down right WRONG. Going through my saved archive ( I saved messages
because when the scammers get caught they go back and edit the
messages as do V and the Moderators) This happens all the time when
they panic.

VBN teaches and coaches encourages veterans tell the psychiatrist
words and phrases such as Horrific, Helpless, In fear for my life, and
so on. They tell them to put these comments on a cue card so they
won't forget to tell the examiner.

Members are told to state that they don't like crowds, they avoid
potholes and trash on the road and they tend to jump when there is a
loud noise. One member who was taught this recently opened his winder
late at night and just started screaming until the neighbor called the
cops.

He did this so he could get some more evidence needed in his VA Un
employability claim. VA has been pointed to Franks posts
and I hope they subpoena all VBN YUKO's logs and IP addresses to go
after those who coach and fake and exaggerate disability to obtain VA
Benefits.

What is funny is most of those on VBN have never even been deployed
and admit it but they are trying to fake mental illness to get
compensation and have some damn good coaches who have been there and
done that.

Networks like, " Veterans Benefit Network" are the type of coaching
networks that can ruin it for everyone else.
slunky
2009-10-28 18:23:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
What happens is VBN coaches other veterans how to scam the system. It
is down right WRONG. Going through my saved archive ( I saved messages
because when the scammers get caught they go back and edit the
messages as do V and the Moderators) This happens all the time when
they panic.
VBN teaches and coaches encourages veterans tell the psychiatrist
words and phrases such as Horrific, Helpless, In fear for my life, and
so on. They tell them to put these comments on a cue card so they
won't forget to tell the examiner.
Members are told to state that they don't like crowds, they avoid
potholes and trash on the road and they tend to jump when there is a
loud noise. One member who was taught this recently opened his winder
late at night and just started screaming until the neighbor called the
cops.
He did this so he could get some more evidence needed in his VA Un
employability claim. VA has been pointed to Franks posts
and I hope they subpoena all VBN YUKO's logs and IP addresses to go
after those who coach and fake and exaggerate disability to obtain VA
Benefits.
What is funny is most of those on VBN have never even been deployed
and admit it but they are trying to fake mental illness to get
compensation and have some damn good coaches who have been there and
done that.
Networks like, " Veterans Benefit Network" are the type of coaching
networks that can ruin it for everyone else.
Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger
audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
--
-slunky
a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-28 18:41:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by slunky
Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger
audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
Veterans and the Tax Payers have a right to know the truth and the
bigger the audience the better. I encourage everyone to warn other
newsgroups and tax payers of the coaching network so that they will be
aware how their tax dollars are being scammed and we can make changes
and fix the system so that newtorks like this are not able to hurt
those are really disabled and in need of earned benefits. Those who
can do a claim the honest way, and not cheap, or be provided examples
of what to say, as the scammers on THE VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" have
done below and in hundreds of other postings.

Scamming and Fraud must cease and desist!


*******************

Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach
and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all
your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President
so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day
occurance on VBN.

Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam
teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT
NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write
down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a
medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie
and cheat with their disability claims.

Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the
largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been
exposed as such.

http://vets.yuku.com/topic/15846



05/08/08 10:03:30


Tags : None
I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our
claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but
the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part
(after service connection established of course). If you want to
ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the
first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your
physician say the right things in your medical record.

To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at
what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated
in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the
first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because
I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it
along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your
symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed
claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule
of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very
specific language to classify your disability into a level of
incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level
but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that
may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't
understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary
or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording,
compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care
Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a
statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE
EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the
symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA
Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different
levels of the SRD:

"The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation
flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior,
memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent
duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in
service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for
this patient to obtain or maintain employment."

Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in
your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them
if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of
the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words
above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your
PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need
to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your
condition, and then having your physician place them there if they
agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable
wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to
the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you
a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating
provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically
documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn
adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not
"exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though
it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same
thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to
misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents
your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your
physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often
the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous
medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own
medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a
diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the
statement you want to appear in your medical records.

Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other
BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of
those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are
not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement
you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording
than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you
found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician
to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you
have already written out for them and wish to have them include in
their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to
place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a
private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have
crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in
their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements
you are asking them to support are true.

You can find the SRD here:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=d741c52f7d5b47cff93ecd0ec686fc0a&rgn=div5&view=text&node=38:1.0.1.1.5&idno=38.
BVA decisions can be found at this link:
http://www.index.va.gov/search/va/bva.html.

Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your
best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is
won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.

The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I
just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in
order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already
know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't
probably given them anything new anyway.
slunky
2009-10-28 18:43:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Post by slunky
Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger
audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
Veterans and the Tax Payers have a right to know the truth and the
bigger the audience the better. I encourage everyone to warn other
newsgroups and tax payers of the coaching network so that they will be
aware how their tax dollars are being scammed and we can make changes
and fix the system so that newtorks like this are not able to hurt
those are really disabled and in need of earned benefits. Those who
can do a claim the honest way, and not cheap, or be provided examples
of what to say, as the scammers on THE VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" have
done below and in hundreds of other postings.
Scamming and Fraud must cease and desist!
*******************
Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach
and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all
your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President
so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day
occurance on VBN.
Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam
teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT
NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write
down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a
medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie
and cheat with their disability claims.
Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the
largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been
exposed as such.
http://vets.yuku.com/topic/15846
05/08/08 10:03:30
Tags : None
I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our
claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but
the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part
(after service connection established of course). If you want to
ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the
first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your
physician say the right things in your medical record.
To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at
what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated
in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the
first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because
I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it
along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your
symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed
claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule
of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very
specific language to classify your disability into a level of
incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level
but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that
may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't
understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary
or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording,
compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care
Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a
statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE
EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the
symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA
Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different
"The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation
flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior,
memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent
duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in
service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for
this patient to obtain or maintain employment."
Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in
your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them
if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of
the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words
above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your
PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need
to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your
condition, and then having your physician place them there if they
agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable
wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to
the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you
a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating
provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically
documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn
adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not
"exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though
it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same
thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to
misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents
your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your
physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often
the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous
medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own
medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a
diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the
statement you want to appear in your medical records.
Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other
BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of
those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are
not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement
you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording
than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you
found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician
to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you
have already written out for them and wish to have them include in
their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to
place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a
private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have
crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in
their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements
you are asking them to support are true.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=d741c52f7d5b47cff93ecd0ec686fc0a&rgn=div5&view=text&node=38:1.0.1.1.5&idno=38.
http://www.index.va.gov/search/va/bva.html.
Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your
best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is
won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.
The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I
just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in
order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already
know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't
probably given them anything new anyway.
Oh thanks. Now I know what to do so I don't have to work. Where do I
enlist?
--
-slunky
slunky
2009-10-28 18:43:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Post by slunky
Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger
audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
Veterans and the Tax Payers have a right to know the truth and the
bigger the audience the better. I encourage everyone to warn other
newsgroups and tax payers of the coaching network so that they will be
aware how their tax dollars are being scammed and we can make changes
and fix the system so that newtorks like this are not able to hurt
those are really disabled and in need of earned benefits. Those who
can do a claim the honest way, and not cheap, or be provided examples
of what to say, as the scammers on THE VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" have
done below and in hundreds of other postings.
Scamming and Fraud must cease and desist!
*******************
Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach
and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all
your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President
so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day
occurance on VBN.
Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam
teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT
NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write
down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a
medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie
and cheat with their disability claims.
Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the
largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been
exposed as such.
http://vets.yuku.com/topic/15846
05/08/08 10:03:30
Tags : None
I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our
claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but
the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part
(after service connection established of course). If you want to
ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the
first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your
physician say the right things in your medical record.
To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at
what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated
in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the
first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because
I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it
along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your
symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed
claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule
of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very
specific language to classify your disability into a level of
incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level
but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that
may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't
understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary
or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording,
compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care
Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a
statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE
EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the
symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA
Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different
"The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation
flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior,
memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent
duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in
service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for
this patient to obtain or maintain employment."
Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in
your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them
if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of
the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words
above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your
PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need
to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your
condition, and then having your physician place them there if they
agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable
wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to
the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you
a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating
provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically
documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn
adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not
"exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though
it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same
thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to
misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents
your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your
physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often
the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous
medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own
medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a
diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the
statement you want to appear in your medical records.
Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other
BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of
those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are
not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement
you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording
than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you
found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician
to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you
have already written out for them and wish to have them include in
their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to
place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a
private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have
crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in
their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements
you are asking them to support are true.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=d741c52f7d5b47cff93ecd0ec686fc0a&rgn=div5&view=text&node=38:1.0.1.1.5&idno=38.
http://www.index.va.gov/search/va/bva.html.
Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your
best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is
won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.
The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I
just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in
order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already
know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't
probably given them anything new anyway.
Oh thanks. Now I know what to do so I don't have to work. Where do I
enlist?
--
-slunky
Hoots
2009-10-29 11:17:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by slunky
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
What happens is VBN coaches other veterans how to scam the system. It
is down right WRONG. Going through my saved archive ( I saved messages
because when the scammers get caught they go back and edit the
messages as do V and the Moderators) This happens all the time when
they panic.
VBN teaches and coaches encourages veterans tell the psychiatrist
words and phrases such as Horrific, Helpless, In fear for my life, and
so on. They tell them to put these comments on a cue card so they
won't forget to tell the examiner.
Members are told to state that they don't like crowds, they avoid
potholes and trash on the road and they tend to jump when there is a
loud noise. One member who was taught this recently opened his winder
late at night and just started screaming until the neighbor called the
cops.
He did this so he could get some more evidence needed in his VA Un
employability claim. VA has been pointed to Franks posts
and I hope they subpoena all VBN YUKO's logs and IP addresses to go
after those who coach and fake and exaggerate disability to obtain VA
Benefits.
What is funny is most of those on VBN have never even been deployed
and admit it but they are trying to fake mental illness to get
compensation and have some damn good coaches who have been there and
done that.
Networks like, " Veterans Benefit Network" are the type of coaching
networks that can ruin it for everyone else.
Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger
audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
VBN??

Very Big Nipples?!!

Yay!
slunky
2009-10-29 15:01:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hoots
Post by slunky
Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger
audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
VBN??
Very Big Nipples?!!
Yay!
They need coaching to be like that.
--
-slunky
Hoots
2009-10-30 11:10:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by slunky
Post by Hoots
Post by slunky
Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger
audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
VBN??
Very Big Nipples?!!
Yay!
They need coaching to be like that.
We're gonna hit em hard, we're gonna hit em often...
slunky
2009-10-30 11:27:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hoots
Post by slunky
Post by Hoots
Post by slunky
Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger
audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
VBN??
Very Big Nipples?!!
Yay!
They need coaching to be like that.
We're gonna hit em hard, we're gonna hit em often...
Just don't twist them.
--
-slunky
a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-28 18:41:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by slunky
Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger
audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
Veterans and the Tax Payers have a right to know the truth and the
bigger the audience the better. I encourage everyone to warn other
newsgroups and tax payers of the coaching network so that they will be
aware how their tax dollars are being scammed and we can make changes
and fix the system so that newtorks like this are not able to hurt
those are really disabled and in need of earned benefits. Those who
can do a claim the honest way, and not cheap, or be provided examples
of what to say, as the scammers on THE VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" have
done below and in hundreds of other postings.

Scamming and Fraud must cease and desist!


*******************

Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach
and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all
your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President
so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day
occurance on VBN.

Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam
teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT
NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write
down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a
medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie
and cheat with their disability claims.

Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the
largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been
exposed as such.

http://vets.yuku.com/topic/15846



05/08/08 10:03:30


Tags : None
I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our
claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but
the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part
(after service connection established of course). If you want to
ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the
first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your
physician say the right things in your medical record.

To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at
what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated
in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the
first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because
I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it
along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your
symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed
claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule
of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very
specific language to classify your disability into a level of
incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level
but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that
may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't
understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary
or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording,
compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care
Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a
statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE
EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the
symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA
Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different
levels of the SRD:

"The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation
flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior,
memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent
duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in
service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for
this patient to obtain or maintain employment."

Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in
your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them
if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of
the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words
above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your
PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need
to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your
condition, and then having your physician place them there if they
agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable
wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to
the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you
a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating
provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically
documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn
adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not
"exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though
it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same
thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to
misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents
your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your
physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often
the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous
medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own
medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a
diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the
statement you want to appear in your medical records.

Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other
BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of
those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are
not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement
you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording
than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you
found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician
to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you
have already written out for them and wish to have them include in
their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to
place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a
private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have
crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in
their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements
you are asking them to support are true.

You can find the SRD here:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=d741c52f7d5b47cff93ecd0ec686fc0a&rgn=div5&view=text&node=38:1.0.1.1.5&idno=38.
BVA decisions can be found at this link:
http://www.index.va.gov/search/va/bva.html.

Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your
best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is
won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.

The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I
just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in
order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already
know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't
probably given them anything new anyway.
a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-28 18:36:33 UTC
Permalink
Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach
and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all
your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President
so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day
occurance on VBN.

Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam
teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT
NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write
down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a
medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie
and cheat with their disability claims.

Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the
largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been
exposed as such.

http://vets.yuku.com/topic/15846



05/08/08 10:03:30


Tags : None
I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our
claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but
the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part
(after service connection established of course). If you want to
ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the
first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your
physician say the right things in your medical record.

To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at
what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated
in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the
first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because
I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it
along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your
symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed
claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule
of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very
specific language to classify your disability into a level of
incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level
but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that
may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't
understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary
or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording,
compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care
Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a
statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE
EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the
symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA
Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different
levels of the SRD:

"The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation
flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior,
memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent
duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in
service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for
this patient to obtain or maintain employment."

Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in
your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them
if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of
the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words
above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your
PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need
to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your
condition, and then having your physician place them there if they
agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable
wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to
the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you
a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating
provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically
documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn
adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not
"exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though
it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same
thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to
misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents
your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your
physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often
the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous
medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own
medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a
diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the
statement you want to appear in your medical records.

Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other
BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of
those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are
not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement
you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording
than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you
found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician
to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you
have already written out for them and wish to have them include in
their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to
place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a
private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have
crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in
their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements
you are asking them to support are true.

You can find the SRD here:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=d741c52f7d5b47cff93ecd0ec686fc0a&rgn=div5&view=text&node=38:1.0.1.1.5&idno=38.
BVA decisions can be found at this link:
http://www.index.va.gov/search/va/bva.html.

Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your
best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is
won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.

The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I
just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in
order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already
know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't
probably given them anything new anyway.
slunky
2009-10-28 18:42:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach
and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all
your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President
so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day
occurance on VBN.
Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam
teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT
NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write
down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a
medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie
and cheat with their disability claims.
Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the
largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been
exposed as such.
http://vets.yuku.com/topic/15846
05/08/08 10:03:30
Tags : None
I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our
claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but
the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part
(after service connection established of course). If you want to
ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the
first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your
physician say the right things in your medical record.
To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at
what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated
in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the
first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because
I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it
along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your
symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed
claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule
of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very
specific language to classify your disability into a level of
incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level
but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that
may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't
understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary
or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording,
compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care
Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a
statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE
EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the
symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA
Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different
"The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation
flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior,
memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent
duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in
service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for
this patient to obtain or maintain employment."
Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in
your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them
if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of
the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words
above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your
PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need
to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your
condition, and then having your physician place them there if they
agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable
wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to
the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you
a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating
provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically
documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn
adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not
"exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though
it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same
thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to
misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents
your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your
physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often
the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous
medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own
medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a
diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the
statement you want to appear in your medical records.
Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other
BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of
those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are
not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement
you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording
than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you
found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician
to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you
have already written out for them and wish to have them include in
their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to
place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a
private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have
crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in
their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements
you are asking them to support are true.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=d741c52f7d5b47cff93ecd0ec686fc0a&rgn=div5&view=text&node=38:1.0.1.1.5&idno=38.
http://www.index.va.gov/search/va/bva.html.
Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your
best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is
won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.
The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I
just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in
order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already
know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't
probably given them anything new anyway.
Thanks. Now I know how to cheat the VA and make you pay for me. Where do
I enlist.
--
-slunky
a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-29 06:38:33 UTC
Permalink
It is a shame the VETERANS BENEFITS NETWORK coaches veterans to cheat
the disability system and defraud tax payers in the manner that goes
on there all the time. When anyone complains about all this coaching
the head " V" has a hissy fit and tells them to shut up and if they
don't like the coaching go some place else.

For those of you who don't want your tax dollars wasted during these
tough economic times and/or want deserving disabled veterans to be the
ones who obtain benefits, please contact your Congressman and the
Department of Veterans Affairs to warn them what is going on at the
VETERANS BENEFITS NETWORK so that they can keep an eye on things
there. Where that network gets off coaching veterans to cheat in the
disability process is troubling and warrants attention.

Informing someone about disability benefits is one thing but to teach
and coach veterans how to lie, cheat and deceive C&P examiners to
obtain benefits they did not earn is outragous behavior and that is
the type of network that VBN has turned into over the last few years.
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach
and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all
your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President
so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day
occurance on VBN.
Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam
teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT
NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write
down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a
medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie
and cheat with their disability claims.
Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the
largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been
exposed as such.
http://vets.yuku.com/topic/15846
05/08/08 10:03:30
Tags : None
I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our
claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but
the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part
(after service connection established of course). If you want to
ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the
first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your
physician say the right things in your medical record.
To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at
what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated
in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the
first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because
I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it
along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your
symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed
claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule
of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very
specific language to classify your disability into a level of
incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level
but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that
may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't
understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary
or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording,
compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care
Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a
statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE
EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the
symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA
Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different
"The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation
flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior,
memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent
duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in
service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for
this patient to obtain or maintain employment."
Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in
your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them
if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of
the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words
above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your
PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need
to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your
condition, and then having your physician place them there if they
agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable
wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to
the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you
a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating
provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically
documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn
adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not
"exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though
it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same
thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to
misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents
your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your
physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often
the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous
medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own
medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a
diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the
statement you want to appear in your medical records.
Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other
BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of
those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are
not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement
you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording
than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you
found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician
to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you
have already written out for them and wish to have them include in
their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to
place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a
private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have
crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in
their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements
you are asking them to support are true.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=d741c52f7d5b47cff93ecd0ec686fc0a&rgn=div5&view=text&node=38:1.0.1.1.5&idno=38.
http://www.index.va.gov/search/va/bva.html.
Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your
best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is
won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.
The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I
just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in
order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already
know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't
probably given them anything new anyway.
%
2009-10-29 06:41:45 UTC
Permalink
what.
Hoots
2009-10-29 11:15:51 UTC
Permalink
what.
I don't know.
%
2009-10-29 06:48:18 UTC
Permalink
boner
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
It is a shame the VETERANS BENEFITS NETWORK coaches veterans to cheat
the disability system and defraud tax payers in the manner that goes
on there all the time. When anyone complains about all this coaching
the head " V" has a hissy fit and tells them to shut up and if they
don't like the coaching go some place else.
For those of you who don't want your tax dollars wasted during these
tough economic times and/or want deserving disabled veterans to be the
ones who obtain benefits, please contact your Congressman and the
Department of Veterans Affairs to warn them what is going on at the
VETERANS BENEFITS NETWORK so that they can keep an eye on things
there. Where that network gets off coaching veterans to cheat in the
disability process is troubling and warrants attention.
Informing someone about disability benefits is one thing but to teach
and coach veterans how to lie, cheat and deceive C&P examiners to
obtain benefits they did not earn is outragous behavior and that is
the type of network that VBN has turned into over the last few years.
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach
and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all
your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President
so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day
occurance on VBN.
Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam
teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT
NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write
down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a
medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie
and cheat with their disability claims.
Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the
largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been
exposed as such.
http://vets.yuku.com/topic/15846
05/08/08 10:03:30
Tags : None
I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our
claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but
the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part
(after service connection established of course). If you want to
ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the
first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your
physician say the right things in your medical record.
To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at
what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated
in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the
first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because
I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it
along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your
symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed
claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule
of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very
specific language to classify your disability into a level of
incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level
but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that
may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't
understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary
or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording,
compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care
Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a
statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE
EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the
symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA
Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different
"The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation
flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior,
memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent
duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in
service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for
this patient to obtain or maintain employment."
Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in
your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them
if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of
the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words
above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your
PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need
to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your
condition, and then having your physician place them there if they
agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable
wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to
the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you
a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating
provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically
documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn
adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not
"exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though
it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same
thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to
misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents
your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your
physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often
the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous
medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own
medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a
diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the
statement you want to appear in your medical records.
Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other
BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of
those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are
not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement
you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording
than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you
found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician
to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you
have already written out for them and wish to have them include in
their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to
place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a
private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have
crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in
their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements
you are asking them to support are true.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=d741c52f7d5b47cff93ecd0ec686fc0a&rgn=div5&view=text&node=38:1.0.1.1.5&idno=38.
http://www.index.va.gov/search/va/bva.html.
Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your
best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is
won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.
The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I
just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in
order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already
know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't
probably given them anything new anyway.
Mean Dean
2009-10-29 17:28:38 UTC
Permalink
One the comments listed on the below link are indicative of what goes
on at the VBN every single day. I think there is some truth that VBN
should be blamed for some of the problems real disabled veterans face
at the VA.

VBN normally encourages members to keep submitting bogus claims add a
piece of paper to disagreement and claim that is new evidence, and
they just keep flooding the system with frivolous claims from veterans
who are being coached to cheat the tax payer.

It is disgraceful how V manages that site. Of course she didn't have
any combat experience in the cushy job she had in the Airforce so that
doesn't surprise me. Not every can lead and she has proved that never
everyone can do the right thing. What is funny is how that idiot V
tries to pump herself up by claiming 8000 members.

What she fails to tell you is that most members have 8-9 different
login names and use different IP addresses that can't be detected.
That is why she will never be able to ban anyone from a site, they can
just log back in with a new IP address and there is nothing she can do
about either.

She can pretend they are banned, but they are still there and makes
her mad knowing this and that she has no authority or control. She is
really stupid when you think about it. It is no wonder her first
husband dumped her. She should get herself a good IP Changer program
too:) What a dumb twat waffle she turned out to be!!

Banned my ass bitch, you aren't smart enough!!


http://whatismyipaddress.com/forum/index.php?forum=7

http://www.dailyfreepress.com/researchers-examine-increasing-veterans-disability-compensation-1.2028356
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
It is a shame the VETERANS BENEFITS NETWORK coaches veterans to cheat
the disability system and defraud tax payers in the manner that goes
on there all the time. When anyone complains about all this coaching
the head " V" has a hissy fit and tells them to shut up and if they
don't like the coaching go some place else.
For those of you who don't want your tax dollars wasted during these
tough economic times and/or want deserving disabled veterans to be the
ones who obtain benefits, please contact your Congressman and the
Department of Veterans Affairs to warn them what is going on at the
VETERANS BENEFITS NETWORK so that they can keep an eye on things
there. Where that network gets off coaching veterans to cheat in the
disability process is troubling and warrants attention.
Informing someone about disability benefits is one thing but to teach
and coach veterans how to lie, cheat and deceive C&P examiners to
obtain benefits they did not earn is outragous behavior and that is
the type of network that VBN has turned into over the last few years.
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach
and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all
your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President
so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day
occurance on VBN.
Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam
teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT
NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write
down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a
medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie
and cheat with their disability claims.
Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the
largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been
exposed as such.
http://vets.yuku.com/topic/15846
05/08/08 10:03:30
Tags : None
I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our
claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but
the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part
(after service connection established of course). If you want to
ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the
first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your
physician say the right things in your medical record.
To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at
what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated
in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the
first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because
I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it
along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your
symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed
claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule
of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very
specific language to classify your disability into a level of
incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level
but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that
may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't
understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary
or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording,
compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care
Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a
statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE
EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the
symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA
Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different
"The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation
flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior,
memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent
duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in
service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for
this patient to obtain or maintain employment."
Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in
your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them
if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of
the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words
above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your
PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need
to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your
condition, and then having your physician place them there if they
agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable
wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to
the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you
a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating
provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically
documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn
adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not
"exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though
it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same
thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to
misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents
your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your
physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often
the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous
medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own
medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a
diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the
statement you want to appear in your medical records.
Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other
BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of
those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are
not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement
you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording
than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you
found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician
to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you
have already written out for them and wish to have them include in
their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to
place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a
private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have
crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in
their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements
you are asking them to support are true.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=d741c52f7d5b47cff93ecd0ec686fc0a&rgn=div5&view=text&node=38:1.0.1.1.5&idno=38.
http://www.index.va.gov/search/va/bva.html.
Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your
best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is
won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.
The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I
just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in
order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already
know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't
probably given them anything new anyway.
slunky
2009-10-28 18:42:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach
and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all
your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President
so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day
occurance on VBN.
Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam
teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT
NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write
down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a
medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie
and cheat with their disability claims.
Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the
largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been
exposed as such.
http://vets.yuku.com/topic/15846
05/08/08 10:03:30
Tags : None
I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our
claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but
the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part
(after service connection established of course). If you want to
ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the
first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your
physician say the right things in your medical record.
To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at
what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated
in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the
first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because
I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it
along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your
symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed
claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule
of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very
specific language to classify your disability into a level of
incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level
but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that
may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't
understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary
or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording,
compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care
Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a
statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE
EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the
symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA
Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different
"The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation
flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior,
memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent
duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in
service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for
this patient to obtain or maintain employment."
Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in
your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them
if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of
the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words
above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your
PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need
to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your
condition, and then having your physician place them there if they
agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable
wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to
the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you
a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating
provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically
documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn
adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not
"exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though
it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same
thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to
misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents
your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your
physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often
the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous
medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own
medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a
diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the
statement you want to appear in your medical records.
Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other
BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of
those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are
not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement
you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording
than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you
found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician
to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you
have already written out for them and wish to have them include in
their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to
place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a
private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have
crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in
their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements
you are asking them to support are true.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=d741c52f7d5b47cff93ecd0ec686fc0a&rgn=div5&view=text&node=38:1.0.1.1.5&idno=38.
http://www.index.va.gov/search/va/bva.html.
Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your
best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is
won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.
The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I
just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in
order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already
know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't
probably given them anything new anyway.
Thanks. Now I know how to cheat the VA and make you pay for me. Where do
I enlist.
--
-slunky
Hoots
2009-10-29 11:21:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
What happens is VBN coaches other veterans how to scam the system. It
is down right WRONG. Going through my saved archive ( I saved messages
because when the scammers get caught they go back and edit the
messages as do V and the Moderators) This happens all the time when
they panic.
VBN teaches and coaches encourages veterans tell the psychiatrist
words and phrases such as Horrific, Helpless, In fear for my life, and
so on. They tell them to put these comments on a cue card so they
won't forget to tell the examiner.
Members are told to state that they don't like crowds, they avoid
potholes and trash on the road and they tend to jump when there is a
loud noise. One member who was taught this recently opened his winder
late at night and just started screaming until the neighbor called the
cops.
He did this so he could get some more evidence needed in his VA Un
employability claim. VA has been pointed to Franks posts
and I hope they subpoena all VBN YUKO's logs and IP addresses to go
after those who coach and fake and exaggerate disability to obtain VA
Benefits.
What is funny is most of those on VBN have never even been deployed
and admit it but they are trying to fake mental illness to get
compensation and have some damn good coaches who have been there and
done that.
Networks like, " Veterans Benefit Network" are the type of coaching
networks that can ruin it for everyone else.
What happened to the "twat" thing?

I'm starting to get confused about this whole deal. <sigh>
slunky
2009-10-28 18:23:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
What happens is VBN coaches other veterans how to scam the system. It
is down right WRONG. Going through my saved archive ( I saved messages
because when the scammers get caught they go back and edit the
messages as do V and the Moderators) This happens all the time when
they panic.
VBN teaches and coaches encourages veterans tell the psychiatrist
words and phrases such as Horrific, Helpless, In fear for my life, and
so on. They tell them to put these comments on a cue card so they
won't forget to tell the examiner.
Members are told to state that they don't like crowds, they avoid
potholes and trash on the road and they tend to jump when there is a
loud noise. One member who was taught this recently opened his winder
late at night and just started screaming until the neighbor called the
cops.
He did this so he could get some more evidence needed in his VA Un
employability claim. VA has been pointed to Franks posts
and I hope they subpoena all VBN YUKO's logs and IP addresses to go
after those who coach and fake and exaggerate disability to obtain VA
Benefits.
What is funny is most of those on VBN have never even been deployed
and admit it but they are trying to fake mental illness to get
compensation and have some damn good coaches who have been there and
done that.
Networks like, " Veterans Benefit Network" are the type of coaching
networks that can ruin it for everyone else.
Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger
audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
--
-slunky
a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-28 18:36:33 UTC
Permalink
Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach
and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all
your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President
so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day
occurance on VBN.

Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam
teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT
NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write
down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a
medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie
and cheat with their disability claims.

Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the
largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been
exposed as such.

http://vets.yuku.com/topic/15846



05/08/08 10:03:30


Tags : None
I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our
claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but
the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part
(after service connection established of course). If you want to
ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the
first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your
physician say the right things in your medical record.

To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at
what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated
in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the
first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because
I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it
along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your
symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed
claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule
of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very
specific language to classify your disability into a level of
incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level
but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that
may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't
understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary
or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording,
compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care
Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a
statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE
EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the
symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA
Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different
levels of the SRD:

"The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation
flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior,
memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent
duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in
service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for
this patient to obtain or maintain employment."

Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in
your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them
if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of
the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words
above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your
PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need
to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your
condition, and then having your physician place them there if they
agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable
wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to
the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you
a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating
provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically
documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn
adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not
"exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though
it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same
thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to
misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents
your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your
physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often
the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous
medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own
medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a
diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the
statement you want to appear in your medical records.

Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other
BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of
those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are
not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement
you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording
than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you
found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician
to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you
have already written out for them and wish to have them include in
their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to
place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a
private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have
crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in
their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements
you are asking them to support are true.

You can find the SRD here:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=d741c52f7d5b47cff93ecd0ec686fc0a&rgn=div5&view=text&node=38:1.0.1.1.5&idno=38.
BVA decisions can be found at this link:
http://www.index.va.gov/search/va/bva.html.

Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your
best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is
won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.

The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I
just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in
order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already
know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't
probably given them anything new anyway.
%
2009-10-28 17:18:46 UTC
Permalink
you are
Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Who's VAOIG?
Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.
It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in
the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for
example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA
examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The
VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to
start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system
and lied to obtain benefits.
Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities,
write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take
that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep
doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation
based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.
If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your
mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere
else and create your own board.
The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the
last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching
veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to
receive more money.
Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the
medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and
make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what
stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet
for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services
Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will
change her behavior whether she wants to or not.
This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money
that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One
guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired,
so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un
employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day
but he wants 100% based on mental illness.
Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag
about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was.
If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut
up by the V twat waffle.
Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for
yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to
post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It
appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam
group ever created on the Internet.
9440, 100%
Total occupational and social impairment, due to
such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought
processes or communication; persistent delusions
or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior;
persistent danger of hurting self or others;
intermittent inability to perform activities of
daily living (including maintenance of minimal
personal hygiene); disorientation to time or
place; memory loss for names of close relatives,
own occupation, or own name.......................
What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers
and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that
happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach
others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and
teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a
moderator on VBN.
That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the
appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".
We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and
Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to
put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to
offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for
coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would
banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people
to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.
The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer
exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and
whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans
Disability Benefits they did not earn.
slunky
2009-10-28 17:47:05 UTC
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Post by a***@anon.dontreply.com
Who's VAOIG?
Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.
It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in
the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for
example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA
examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The
VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to
start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system
and lied to obtain benefits.
Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities,
write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take
that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep
doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation
based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.
If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your
mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere
else and create your own board.
The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the
last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching
veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to
receive more money.
Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the
medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and
make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what
stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet
for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services
Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will
change her behavior whether she wants to or not.
This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money
that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One
guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired,
so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un
employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day
but he wants 100% based on mental illness.
Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag
about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was.
If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut
up by the V twat waffle.
Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for
yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to
post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It
appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam
group ever created on the Internet.
9440, 100%
Total occupational and social impairment, due to
such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought
processes or communication; persistent delusions
or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior;
persistent danger of hurting self or others;
intermittent inability to perform activities of
daily living (including maintenance of minimal
personal hygiene); disorientation to time or
place; memory loss for names of close relatives,
own occupation, or own name.......................
What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers
and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that
happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach
others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and
teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a
moderator on VBN.
That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the
appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".
We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and
Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to
put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to
offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for
coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would
banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people
to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.
The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer
exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and
whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans
Disability Benefits they did not earn.
Wow. V must really have your balls in a vice if you go on like this
anytime someone mentions that site.
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-slunky
a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-28 17:56:42 UTC
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I agree with the postings steamjockey put on VBN, a few of hundreds he
has posted shown below. Like so many others feel he knows that the
VETERANS DISABILITY NETORK has turned into a collossal disability
coaching and teaching network and that tax payer dollars are being
abused. This is money that could have been used to help those who
really suffer from PTSD/DEPRESSION and other illnesses and such fraud
should not be allowed.

A good example is when VBN tells members that when they reach a magic
60% rating number they should quit their job, file for unemployability
at the VA so they can get paid at the 100% rate. They go on to teach
and coach veterans that once you receive that uneployability 100%
rating don't ever go back to work because you will get reviewed and
they might dig harder and catch on to the scam.

This is a very deliberate teaching and coaching process going on at
VBN and tax payers and those who are stuggling with real disabilities
whould be outraged at such innapropriate coaching and faking. I think
the more tax payers that are aware of what that network has been doing
the better. The more scrutiny the better because this abuse and
coaching must stop immediately.



http://vets.yuku.com/sreply/285301/t/Do-we-really-need-IU.html

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10/18/09 16:44:32

To answer the original question regarding whether we need IU or not, I
think we do. There are a small number of veterans that fall into the
category this benefit was designed to relieve. Having said that, If
VBN is any example, IU is more abused than used. I think Congress and
the VA need to look into this.

http://vets.yuku.com/sreply/285311/t/Do-we-really-need-IU.html


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10/18/09 17:48:42


so I don't think that there are as many as you think getting
through the cracks.

If VBN is any example there are entirely too many on IU, especially
for bogus reasons.

Regards;
SteamJockey, resident curmudgeon


http://vets.yuku.com/sreply/285420/t/Do-we-really-need-IU.html


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10/19/09 09:59:03


There is also what they call an IRS data base

There is no law permitting the use of the IRS database in this manner.
Most veterans that have left the service have never filed a claim.
Vets discharged prior to 93 did not automatically have SMR's delivered
to VA. Even if they knew the address of every living veteran do you
really think they are going to send a personal invite to every veteran
announcing every possible benefit and all changes. At some point in
time you have to take responsibility for your own life and stop
expecting momma to spoon feed ya. Seems this is typical of the current
crowd of crybaby whiners. We're seeing a lot of that here on VBN
lately. I think NorthernWolf's last post kinda tells it like it is.


"Most people who read "The Communist Manifesto" probably have no idea
that it was written by a couple of men who had never worked a day in
their lives, and who nevertheless spoke boldly in the name of 'the
workers'."
~Thomas Sowell

Regards;
a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-28 18:20:08 UTC
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What happens is VBN coaches other veterans how to scam the system. It
is down right WRONG. Going through my saved archive ( I saved messages
because when the scammers get caught they go back and edit the
messages as do V and the Moderators) This happens all the time when
they panic.

VBN teaches and coaches encourages veterans tell the psychiatrist
words and phrases such as Horrific, Helpless, In fear for my life, and
so on. They tell them to put these comments on a cue card so they
won't forget to tell the examiner.

Members are told to state that they don't like crowds, they avoid
potholes and trash on the road and they tend to jump when there is a
loud noise. One member who was taught this recently opened his winder
late at night and just started screaming until the neighbor called the
cops.

He did this so he could get some more evidence needed in his VA Un
employability claim. VA has been pointed to Franks posts
and I hope they subpoena all VBN YUKO's logs and IP addresses to go
after those who coach and fake and exaggerate disability to obtain VA
Benefits.

What is funny is most of those on VBN have never even been deployed
and admit it but they are trying to fake mental illness to get
compensation and have some damn good coaches who have been there and
done that.

Networks like, " Veterans Benefit Network" are the type of coaching
networks that can ruin it for everyone else.
a***@anon.dontreply.com
2009-10-28 17:17:45 UTC
Permalink
Who's VAOIG?
Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.

It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in
the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for
example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA
examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The
VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to
start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system
and lied to obtain benefits.

Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities,
write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take
that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep
doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation
based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.

If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your
mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere
else and create your own board.

The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the
last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching
veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to
receive more money.

Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the
medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and
make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what
stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet
for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services
Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will
change her behavior whether she wants to or not.

This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money
that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One
guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired,
so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un
employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day
but he wants 100% based on mental illness.

Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag
about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was.
If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut
up by the V twat waffle.

Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for
yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to
post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It
appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam
group ever created on the Internet.


9440, 100%
General Rating Formula for Mental Disorders:
Total occupational and social impairment, due to
such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought
processes or communication; persistent delusions
or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior;
persistent danger of hurting self or others;
intermittent inability to perform activities of
daily living (including maintenance of minimal
personal hygiene); disorientation to time or
place; memory loss for names of close relatives,
own occupation, or own name.......................


What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers
and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that
happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach
others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and
teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a
moderator on VBN.

That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the
appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".

We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and
Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to
put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to
offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for
coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would
banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people
to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.

The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer
exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and
whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans
Disability Benefits they did not earn.
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